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Post by Serpent Fri Jun 11, 2010 9:53 pm

So my friends Brookie and Chad were having this HUGE debate on some random subject.. Of course it was those two. xDD
Anyways, they came up with a great idea to make a debate section. Well, that would be a lot to control, so lets start out small, with,
DEBATE TEAM! :D Thats not supposed to sound that nerdy.. xDD Okay, on to the rules!


1. Do NOT argue. This is a debate, not a fight.
2. Stay on topic, only debate on the topic of the day/week.
3. Follow all WAO Forum Rules.



Okay, onto the members list! To join, just simply post on this thread, "I'd like to join your debate." Or something of that nature.
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2. Jessica
3. Samantha
4. Brookie
5. Sammy
6. Jay
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DEBATE OF THE WEEK
*This weeks topic is Apples or Oranges. Choose a side!

*Apples*

*Oranges*
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Post by Jessica(: Fri Jun 11, 2010 9:58 pm

I'd like to join! :3
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Post by Serpent Fri Jun 11, 2010 9:59 pm

Okay Jess! Are you a believer or non-believer for this topic?
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Post by Jessica(: Fri Jun 11, 2010 10:03 pm

Believer.
Forever.
I hate global warming D:
I try my best to, ride my bike, and do my part : D
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Post by Serpent Fri Jun 11, 2010 10:05 pm

&& now we wait for some non-believer to come along.. D:
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Post by ♫Sam!♫ Fri Jun 11, 2010 10:14 pm

I'll join =) I am suddenly a believer rofl
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Post by Serpent Fri Jun 11, 2010 10:16 pm

xDD
Yes. Its true.(:
Adding you to the list now.
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Post by ♫Sam!♫ Fri Jun 11, 2010 10:17 pm

I love the debate club =) we get current events at school (this magazine with current evemts lol) and we always argue about the debate it's fun lol
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Post by ~Brookie(: Sat Jun 12, 2010 9:01 am

-raises hand- I totally want to join! I mean chad and I inspired you didn't we? (:
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Post by Serpent Sat Jun 12, 2010 9:06 am

Yes Brookie. xDD Are you a believer or non-believer?
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Post by jaylikespancakes. Sat Jun 12, 2010 11:31 am

I don't think Global Warming is real xD
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Post by Serpent Sat Jun 12, 2010 12:58 pm

D:
State your reasons.
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Post by jaylikespancakes. Sat Jun 12, 2010 1:07 pm

Well I live close to the water and we don't get a lot of snow because the water absorbs the heat and releases it in the winter. But it snowed the most then it ever has where I am, so its more like Global Cooling now
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Post by Serpent Sat Jun 12, 2010 1:10 pm

The earth has ALWAYS been heating and cooling. If you look at the statistics, you can tell that the overall temperature is rising, dramatically. Its higher than its ever been.
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Post by jaylikespancakes. Sat Jun 12, 2010 1:12 pm

Well maybe cuz its Summer
People are always lying about the Polar Bears dying and stuff which isn't true
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Post by Serpent Sat Jun 12, 2010 1:16 pm

What evidence do you have to support that? NOTHING. Its your opinion.
THERE IS PROOF THAT IN THE LAST 20 YEARS THE TEMPERATURE HAS INCREASED. We are NOT just talking about Summer. Try watching An Inconvenient Truth, that'll change your mind.
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Post by jaylikespancakes. Sat Jun 12, 2010 1:28 pm

I'd rather stick with listening to my Grandfather cuz he's smarter then you
I don't like fighting with people
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Post by Serpent Sat Jun 12, 2010 1:37 pm

1. I doubt your grandfather had a 4.63 GPA
2. This is a debate, not a fight.

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Post by jaylikespancakes. Sat Jun 12, 2010 1:44 pm

Well he probably did
He's also older then you and went to college and was a professor
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Post by Serpent Sat Jun 12, 2010 1:50 pm

>.>

Well, if you deny the fact that there is no Global Climate Change, your wrong. I'm going to be laughing at people like you when the world ends because you didn't change your ways.
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Post by jaylikespancakes. Sat Jun 12, 2010 1:53 pm

I just don't understand what makes Global Warming our fault cuz the sun warms the earth
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Post by Serpent Sat Jun 12, 2010 1:55 pm

Yes, but theres a hole in the atmosphere. It kept the cool in, and most of the bad sunrays out. It tore because of pollution. Now all of the hot air is getting in, more than ever before. Its heating the earth. There.
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Post by jaylikespancakes. Sat Jun 12, 2010 2:09 pm

What proof do you have?
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Post by Serpent Sat Jun 12, 2010 2:11 pm

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Post by jaylikespancakes. Sat Jun 12, 2010 2:17 pm

Here are some facts I found
1. Temperatures have been cooling since 2002, even as carbon dioxide has continued to rise.

2. Carbon dioxide is a trace gas and by itself will produce little warming. Also, as CO2 increases, the incremental warming is less, as the effect is logarithmic so the more CO2, the less warming it produces.

3. CO2 has been totally uncorrelated with temperature over the last decade, and significantly negative since 2002.

4. CO2 is not a pollutant, but a naturally occurring gas. Together with chlorophyll and sunlight, it is an essential ingredient in photosynthesis and is, accordingly, plant food.

5. Reconstruction of paleoclimatological CO2 concentrations demonstrates that carbon dioxide concentration today is near its lowest level since the Cambrian Era some 550 million years ago, when there was almost 20 times as much CO2 in the atmosphere as there is today without causing a “runaway greenhouse effect.”

6. Temperature changes lead, not lag, CO2 changes on all time scales. The oceans may play a key role, emitting carbon dioxide when they warm as carbonated beverages lose fizz as they warm and absorbing it as they cool.

7. Most of the warming in the climate models comes from the assumption that water vapor and precipitation increase as temperatures warm, a strong positive feedback. Water vapor is a far more important greenhouse gas than CO2. However, that assumption has been shown in observations and peer reviewed research to be wrong, and in fact water vapor and precipitation act as a negative feedback that reduces any small greenhouse warming from carbon dioxide.

8. Indeed, greenhouse models show the warming should be greatest at mid to high atmosphere levels in the tropics. But balloon and satellite observations show cooling there. The greenhouse signature or DNA does not match reality, and the greenhouse models thus must greatly overstate the warming – and in a court of law would have to be acquitted of any role in global warming

9. The sun has both direct and indirect effects on our climate. Solar activity changes on cycles of 11 years and longer. When the sun is more active it is brighter and a little hotter. More important though are the indirect effects. Ultraviolet radiation increases much more than the brightness and causes increased ozone production, which generates heat in the high atmosphere that works its way down, affecting the weather. Also, an active sun diffuses cosmic rays, which play an important role in nucleation of low clouds, resulting in fewer clouds. In all these ways the sun warms the planet more when it is active. An active sun in the 1930s and again near the end of the last century helped produce the observed warming periods. The current solar cycle is the longest in over 100 years, an unmistakable sign of a cooling sun that historical patterns suggest will stay so for decades.

10. The multidecadal cycles in the ocean correlate extremely well with the solar cycles and global temperatures. These are 60 to 70 year cycles that relate to natural variations in the largescale circulations. Warm oceans correlate with warm global temperatures. The Pacific started cooling in the late 1990s and it accelerated in the last year, and the Atlantic has cooled from its peak in 2004. This supports the observed global land temperature cooling, which is strongly correlated with ocean heat content. Newly deployed N.O.A.A. buoys confirm global ocean cooling.

11. Warmer ocean cycles are periods with diminished Arctic ice cover. When the oceans were warm in the 1930s to the 1950s, Arctic ice diminished and Greenland warmed. The recent ocean warming, especially in the 1980s to the early 2000s, is similar to what took place 70 years ago and the Arctic ice has reacted much the same way, with diminished summer ice extent.

12. Antarctic ice has been increasing and the extent last year was the greatest in the satellitemonitoring era. We are running ahead of last year’s record pace.
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